Get used to this joke, it'll serve you well the
next few weeks or more.
Instead of "Thank you, have a nice day," try
ending each transaction with, "Bye now, maybe next
time I see you we'll have a new president."
HOOCH! COUGAR YONDER... It's
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ATI, issue 249. November 10, 2000.
"You don't need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows."
"you can call me timmy, or you can
Call me zimmy."
[part of rant?] {what's not???}
I'm so glad MTV, GE, NBC et al spent so many hundreds
of millions putting on their "snooze or blues" campaign
this year, or we all wouldn't have seen that 1.7 percent
increase in voter turnout.
I've got it. Let's skip the electoral process
altogether, and anyone who thinks they're worthy
can put an attorney on rider and sue for the
position.
Joan Kennedy pleads guilty to DUI??? It's about time.
Take a note: no longer need to drive Route 1 instead
of I-95.
Oh, hi. I'm prime anarchist, editor and publisher of
this strange little ranticle we call a 'zine. How're
YOU doin? That's mighty imporant right now, isn't?
For after all, if you've got your health you've got
everything. And if you're an american and your last
name isn't a four-letter word, chances are good that's
about all you've got.
Anarchy, Music and Poetry is what we're about mostly.
But as you already know, I'm sure, we're completely
reader driven so submissions come first, eh?
s/
prime
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YAKMYTH: A Watcher's Guide
To C-Span's Homer-Odyssey
Booktalk Session Oct 2000
by Pomerika
Odyseuss,The king of Ithaka.
Kris Hitchens on hubris and nemesis.
Insists that Homer was a real man
who stood on some of the same rocks
that he did at times.
jeez, CSpan. Asking Hitchens if he thinks
the book is relevant to today, is like
asking him if his car will die in the
next 300,000 miles without an oil-change.
Yes, there are two other people yakking,
but I mostly focus today on Homer, the
C-Span interviewer and Mr. Hitchens.
Why? Because I think K(c)ris is more
(while at the same time less) profound
than he always sees himself.
Dead At Sea. C'mon people. Let's discuss
this year's 23 russian sailors buried alive
in the submersible coffin, ok?
Across the Aegean sea, around the cape.
Real geography as opposed to parageography.
Don't go there please!
"Unacknowleged Legislation," is going to be
Hitchens' newest this January on the VERSO
label.
Stanley Lombardo and his drum. Turn your eye
away. Focus not on him or his drum, just on
the greek.
J. Bottum slams Lombardo's translation a second
time. Does he dis the book or Lombardo himself?
Oh, telephone questions soon. Thank you, Athena!
booktv@c-span.org
There goes Lombardo again.
English this time, neat. I really wish he'd
use a kickdrum or a foot on a hardwood floor
instead of using his "post modern shamanic"
drum. The guy truly lacks rhythm.
Bottum with another dis. "It's great stuff,
but..."
ventriloquizing. catharsis. pity. terror.
Christopher Hitchens with a bottle of springwater
between his legs, a parallel translation
on his lap, and 4-inch moptop hair just over
his left eyebrow.
Did you ever wonder why AOL picks the A and the
eye on the pyramid for their mythos? Lombardo,
why did you pick the "world flag" earth.gif for
your coverpic?
Agamemnon praises Penelope. Men will make songs
about her. Alludes to Feminist interpretations
of Odyssey.
/odysseus - dr suess/
(hmm...)
"Fear, dread, humiliation - a very religious text."
- Hitchens
How does one live their life when the war is over?
Your father was of great reknown.
Not in combat, but in warzones. [Hitchens] Remember
thinking, well this is what it's like then.
"No one left to lie to: the values of the worst family"
Hitchen's most recent year, I mean book.
http://www.versobooks.com
"this long hexameter line" Bottum's biggest problem
is he's trying so hard to have Hitchens' hair.
Yeah, Debra Dickerson. Put him back in his place.
Monkeying around. Don't touch Dickens. This new
book helps me want to go back to the original.
So this whole discussion is not to grasp Homer
and whether the Toyota Odyssey has Firestone
tires at all. It's about telling us to buy this
new book! Tele-spam!!! A C-SpanoMercial.
On the way back to Ithaca, why are they fighting?
Just because there's people there. They're "drunk."
Civilians are in as much danger as soldiers as shown
in this book.
Athena and Poseidon. Feminine : Masculine.
Or at times M:F.
Athena tells Telemakkus don't make your mother
remarry, dowries suck.
Is cunning a virtue? Odysseus is an inveterate lier.
Does he have to tell these lies? Talking to dad in
the pasture. Should I tell him straight out? Or lie?
He seems to be enjoying giving the old man a big
long "line."
Telling a good lie, that's just great. All Cretins are
liars, so saith the people in Crete. Does he have to
kill all 108 of the suitors?
Ruthlessness, cruelty, what about all of that? Does a hero
have to be an entirely virtuous character or can he be
a "real people."
Patience, endurance, intelligence, commitment, you need
all of these to be called virtuous. Always willing to
expose himself courageously. OK, I'll challenge you to
some games. Pushing the envelope.
Nikos Kazantzakos. Finally you mention him. It took
one of Lombardo's living heros to call on the phone
[didn't hear the name - he published another recent
"Iliad and Odyssey."] before he'd whip out Nikos.
I watched his adams apple go up and down when the
caller complained about his rhetoric, and which
version of greek he picked.
Q: What part of the odyssey turns your students on?
Cyclops, The Sirens, the domestic side of the story.
The suitors, the wife, will she recognize him?
Q: You picked D-Day for your Iliad. Why?
Editor and myself both wanted to stay away from
anything "too classical."
"Normandy launched a thousand ships," said hitchens
Hitchens discussed being a tourist in Athens in 1974:
This crowd was chanting something and I tried to
join in, I didn't know what it was til after.
Catharsis, cathar-sis cathar sis.
12 ships each with a crew of 20 or 30 men during
the trojan war. Tried to bring them all back home
safely. Unable to.
They were destroyed by their own recklessness.
\So many US Marines raping/
\japanese teens lately? /
\ my thought again /
[a tongue speaking episcopalian
phone call attacking hitchens
AND the classics ignored here.]
Debra Dickerson: I went to Greece on my honeymoon.
Like it or not it's part of us. Delphi, dead white
men, who needs it, but you cannot look at the
Parthenon and not be moved. There's no reason you
can't know this and not know other things too.
The best poet who ever lived, bottums quoting
lombardo about homer.
If you have to ask, poetry won't mean anything to
you. As soon as you've asked the question, you've
already lost.
\U shoulda mentioned Clinton/
\not bringing back his poet/
\for the second inaug... /
Is Odysseus just to kill all 108? Yes the
suitors were wrong, but was Odysseus right?
the real reason to read a poem is Homer's mind.
Quotes Arnold, "he saw life steadily and he
saw it (hold? whole?)"
the human condition.
the very deep, wide, the clear.
Luck and Virtue - Bottums says they're unrelated
\define hubris\
\then, d00d. \
Odysseus doesn't have free will, I (hitchens)
wish you would've touched on this.
Scapegoating, I'm glad Hitchens brings this up.
Funny it would be in defense of Bottums saying
if you aren't Christian, you wouldn't understand
the Prodigal son.
:Try living in Chiapas, Colombia, Australia or :
:the Hopi reservation, Bottums. There are people:
:behaving 10 times more X-Tian there than you'll:
:ever behave, sorry to say...
homeric - heroic
mysterious woman, mysterious woman.
nostos - home.
winedark sea
rosey fingers
Chapman's Homer as celebrated by Keats
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